Well, there's a certain amount of truth that certain qualifications are required of a counselor. At the risk of boring a couple of you who've heard this story before, I had my comeuppance early in my experience as a counselor, another reason why perhaps that you'll listen to a talk that's confined to a reasonable length of time. When I first came to Hazelden as a counselor, I was a little impressed with the position. It's not easy to crackulate Hazelden League as far as counseling is concerned, because Mr. Butler's requirements are very, very rigid, and Mr. Carroll, of course, who is the old master, my mentor, and the mentor of so many of us, has his own particular qualifications that he insists that somebody who's going to assist him possess. Anyway, I convinced the two of them that I was ideal, so I moved in there, and the first couple of weeks went by fine, everything was going well. I was devoting myself most diligently to my work, I was a good listener, I was reading, I was doing my best to further my progress and to be of the utmost service to the people that I serve. One day, as we were changing tours of duty, Lynn said to me, the end of the life of Hazelden is coming your first real test, he says, a very, very much of a broth of a lad called Murphy. He says, we call him Junior, and you'll understand when you see Murphy. Murphy is a man who has had a problem in his life since he was 15 years old, and Murphy is no easy touch, he says, he's something for you really to cut your teeth on as a counselor. And he began to tell me about the difficulties experienced by this broth of a lad, Murphy. I met Murphy, I could see nothing untoward about the boy, he had a fair size to him, about six foot three, and a weight to go with it, shoulders that would have been impressive in a Notre Dame line, all this sort of stuff, the ham-like hands and so forth, but a naivety, a very much of a boyishness about him, he at the time was celebrating his 21st birthday there at Hazelden. And I said to Murphy, I'm happy to know you, he says, I'm happy to know you…